08 July 2009 @ 03:29 pm
This is one (of many) reason(s) to stay home  
This article on the Unnecesarean blog has to be one of the most disturbing things I have ever read about current trends in obstetrical practice in the United States.

"Pit to distress" - administering the highest possible dosage of Pitocin in order to deliberately cause fetal distress, with the intended outcome of cesarean section. This isn't something made up by one or two conspiracy-seeking natural birthers. She includes links to references in other articles, quotes from individuals with firsthand experience, and even a photocopy from Labor and Delivery Nursing text book addressing the issue (it says that "'pit to distress' is not an acceptable order. If a provider writes 'pit to distress,' notify your charge nurse or supervisor [...] At all times, you must practice to prevent harm.). This is a real phenomenon.

Read and be disturbed.
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[identity profile] patchfire.livejournal.com on July 8th, 2009 07:40 pm (UTC)
Like I said... if they're causing fetal distress, you know there has to be fetal morbidity and mortality associated with the practice.

How horribly disturbing.
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[identity profile] raving-liberal.livejournal.com on July 8th, 2009 07:43 pm (UTC)
I'm sure. I wonder what they blame death or injury on in these cases?
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[identity profile] evel-lin.livejournal.com on July 8th, 2009 09:05 pm (UTC)
I'm guessing that would be the bad mother for not having a c-sec the moment the doctor mentioned it.

Or am I just being cynical?
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[identity profile] ewigweibliche.livejournal.com on July 8th, 2009 07:47 pm (UTC)
Oh god. If I wasn't terrified of laboring in a hospital before, I sure as hell am now.
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[identity profile] onlyariana.livejournal.com on July 8th, 2009 07:54 pm (UTC)
I'm really hating people at the moment. Things like this are evil.
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[identity profile] morphinae.livejournal.com on July 8th, 2009 07:59 pm (UTC)
I would never say this in a public forum because it WOULD make me sound like a paranoid conspiracy theorist, but there is NO reason a trained medical professional would give a VBAC'er Pitocin aside from trying to hurt her or the baby and make an example out of her. You have to be fucking illiterate to hold an MD and NOT KNOW what it can do.

That is spite, and arrogance, and misogyny at it's best.

*Meant for this to go here. Brain, pls come back?
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[identity profile] raving-liberal.livejournal.com on July 8th, 2009 08:01 pm (UTC)
I am highly inclined to agree with you.
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[identity profile] alibee.livejournal.com on July 8th, 2009 08:17 pm (UTC)
Holy fuck.

O_O
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[identity profile] zarkarella.livejournal.com on July 8th, 2009 08:19 pm (UTC)
It makes me want to see my chart.
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[identity profile] morphinae.livejournal.com on July 8th, 2009 08:23 pm (UTC)
I think about you a lot when I talk about pit. They did you wrong, very wrong.
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[identity profile] zarkarella.livejournal.com on July 8th, 2009 08:29 pm (UTC)
It was my own fault for accepting the idea of an induction in the first place. I was just so damn ready for it to be over.
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[identity profile] zarkarella.livejournal.com on July 8th, 2009 08:24 pm (UTC)
FYI, since you didn't know me then, I was induced. And there was fetal distress which led to a section. I was the typical mother your article talks about. While I should have said no to induction, it still disturbs me and makes me wish I could see the levels of pitocin which were given to me. Not much I can do for it now, but since I was going to use to same OB for my next child, I would like to know if that is wise. I really liked her, I don't think she would do it on purpose.
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[identity profile] morphinae.livejournal.com on July 8th, 2009 09:30 pm (UTC)
I knew you then, nerd :P

And I wouldn't say your fault. Doctors say pretty, pretty things to puffy, tired preggos when they want something done.
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[identity profile] zarkarella.livejournal.com on July 8th, 2009 11:02 pm (UTC)
LOL, I know you knew me, but raving didn't, not well anyway.
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[identity profile] morphinae.livejournal.com on July 8th, 2009 11:06 pm (UTC)
I realized that about 10 mins after I replied.

It's a slow day in Jennland.
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[identity profile] dolcedaze.livejournal.com on July 8th, 2009 08:27 pm (UTC)
I wish I was surprised.
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[identity profile] pernwebgoddess.livejournal.com on July 8th, 2009 08:36 pm (UTC)
Holy shit.

I think I'm a victim of this.

My water broke around 9 PM. The nurses IMMEDIATELY wanted me on pitocin. They even pitched a fit about it when I said no.

I insisted on laboring on my own, since I've delivered before and was low risk, and had every confidence of delivering without drug interference.

Eventually, I was bullied into it, and they raised the dose to the MAXIMUM possible over the course of a couple of hours, until my body literally freaked out and my contractions halted. Then they had to stop the pitocin for a while and reset it.

Ultimately, my body did well in spite of their efforts (and so help me God, if I ever have another child, anyone who comes near me with Pitocin is going to have it crammed up their asses, a natural childbirth with no drugs and pit is fucking insane).

But dammit... this sounds exactly like what they were trying to do.
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[identity profile] miriam-torason.livejournal.com on July 8th, 2009 09:02 pm (UTC)
I actually had a case of "not this." But I get the feeling it's where we were headed. When I was delivered of Nathaniel, I was determined to refuse the section. And I did. And I kept jumping through their flaming hoops - admitted at 5, make it to 7 before 'stalling.' Need to be at 8 in an hour (after 5 hours stalled), or section. Did it. Then need to be at nine in an hour, or SECTION! Did that too. Need to be fully dilated in an hour. DID THAT TOO. Only "lip" remained. But, the baby's not engaged! Move that baby from -2 to +2 in an hour or SECTION! Oh, and not allowed to get up from lithotomy to do it, by the by. And in the meantime, presenting all support people with how not sectioning now could lead to uterus giving up, fetal distress, dead mother/baby... I think that if I had continued to refuse, we would have wound up in exactly that scenario - so the OB could say "see? I TOLD you!" Especially since my tactic for refusing was to take her horrible case-examples and listen to them, with all the support people there, and then ask for incidence rates. Which she never did give me.

And I'm going to stop writing a novel now. o.O;;;
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[identity profile] evel-lin.livejournal.com on July 8th, 2009 09:08 pm (UTC)
That article is horrible :-( I really wish I couldn't believe it
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[identity profile] amyura.livejournal.com on July 8th, 2009 09:18 pm (UTC)
Shoo.

With Julia, I think they were trying to do that. The morning nurse was crunchy and pro-natural birth and even though they had me on pit, she had it on a low dose and worked with my doula. The afternoon nurse told me she "had" to turn it up every 15 minutes. I had to whip out the "I don't consent" thing to get her to stop being such a c-word.

Needless to say, I haven't been back to that hospital.
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[identity profile] geobabe1.livejournal.com on July 8th, 2009 09:21 pm (UTC)
God, that's horrifying.
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[identity profile] thatgirljj.livejournal.com on July 9th, 2009 12:47 am (UTC)
That's just scary. I would *not* have put it past my first OB to do that. Not at all.

My god... those poor babies.
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[identity profile] imjustafacade.livejournal.com on July 9th, 2009 01:26 am (UTC)
that convo is awful, poor babies (and mums). the way people treat babies and kids is disgusting. i cant imagine trying to give birth and having to battle people the whole way. and people thing im crazy for having a 10 pounder at home unassisted. sooo not the case!
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[identity profile] themysteriousg.livejournal.com on July 9th, 2009 05:33 am (UTC)
I'm so glad things happened on their own this time--in their own speedy time.

This is disgusting. I wonder if I asked my practice about this what their repsonse would be?
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